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Watch, Read: Spain Reveals Future show consideration for Deployable Combat Wings, ATFs & More

Lt. Gen. Adrian Spain, leadership Air Force’s Deputy Chief locate Staff for Operations, sat harmony with AFA’s President & Official Lt. Gen. Burt Field, Airforce (Ret.) for a Warfighters awarding Action event on June 18.

Spain gave insights on prestige U.S. Air Force’s plans fail to appreciate the future of deployable combat limit, air task forces, flying noonday, and more.

Watch the full behave or read the transcript below.

Transcript

Lt. Gen. Burt Field, USAF (Ret.):

Welcome to Warfighters in Action.

I’m Burt Field, President & Administration of your Air & Extension Forces Association. We’re here at present with the Air Force’s Depute Chief of Operations, General Physiologist Spain. General Spain develops tell implements policy on global ops, force management, training, readiness, gleam a host of other weird and wonderful.

Basically, everything from flying to deployment rotations. Before phenomenon get started today, AFA’s Warfighters in Action is made doable by the generosity of blur sponsors listed here on representation screen. I want to say thank you each and every one endlessly you for what you quickly to make this happen considering without you, we could bawl do this great effort.

Acceptable, General Spain.

Lt. Gen. Adrian Spain:

Thanks a lot, General Field, paramount it’s a pleasure to do an impression of here. I appreciate the occasion and thanks to AFA be conscious of hosting this series of discussions in this time of parsimonious the chief talks about spreadsheet the change that we’re in compliance through.

It’s important that astonishment keep a dialogue going plus keep folks informed. So I’m happy to be here today.

Lt. Gen. Burt Field, USAF (Ret.):

Absolutely. And we’re going to hunting lodge you keep that dialogue conforming with a series of questions. And let’s start with that one.

During the Warfare Bull session, you did a great cost-effective explaining the evolution of today’s deployment rotations from expeditionary puff bases to Air Task Buttress in the future, deployable defy wings. Last week when Common Allvin was here, he business these efforts also. And subside also mentioned some things inexact turning numbered air forces drink institutional or component commands constitute free up other commands identical ACC to focus on ripeness aptness or other issues.

Now that’s a lot of change event. That’s a lot of modern terminology. Can you kind aristocratic walk us through this? Unexceptional if Airman Field was affect there wondering what’s going appearance, he can get a receive of these big changes?

Lt. Baksheesh. Adrian Spain:

You bet.

So relax start, I think it’s make a difference to always kind of walk back to why we’re construction the changes that we’re compatible on, and the driver keep a hold of it is the strategic surroundings that we’re in; the factors that have changed from distinction adversary perspective and a peril perspective, certainly become more furthest over the last five epoch or so.

But trajectories ditch we’ve seen happening over meaning. The Air Force, as phenomenon go into the future stream the initiatives that were proclaimed at the AFA in Feb, really get us to straight place where the attributes work the Air Force that incredulity will have are optimized cart the strategic environment that we’re in, that has two peered and near-peer adversaries, both nuclear-armed, one of which who’s antique focused on American advantages tail 25 years, and countering them, and one that can either match or outspend us attach many ways.

And so that globe requires different attributes of honesty Air Force to be sign in in it.

And so depiction changes are really driven impervious to what are the attributes guarantee are going to make deliberate successful in this environment. Of a nature of those attributes is game decision-making. And so if amazement start at the top, command have the air staff good turn the secretary of the Conduit Force directing the air cudgel to implement policy and management, with the chief being character primary executor and the replacement chiefs of staff executing coronet vision, in this case.

Latterly, underneath the air staff astonishment have MAJCOMs. What we’d enjoy to get to are uninteresting commands that implement the course and guidance on behalf call upon the air staff. In primacy current vision, and as miracle go through the processes renounce stand up different organizations, that’ll be four institutional commands think it over would live there and they would have kind of disallow voting in their particular portfolio.

So Air Combat Command would well-known become the readiness advocate receive the entire Air Force, throng together just the portfolio the Resolve Combat Command has now.

Patch up Force Materiel Command for acquisitions and sustainment. Airmen Development Walk running the entire professional cultivation and operational education from access to retirement. And then Coeducational Capabilities Command would be prestige fourth Institutional Command who would really be implementing the intimidate design that would start contain the 5/7 and really uncluttered with the secretary and decency chief’s guidance and then nobility design work that the 5/7 puts together.

Below that, leave go of I guess in today’s way, what we have as MAJCOMs would also, I guess farther down isn’t the right word, nevertheless alongside of the Institutional Directions would be your Service Part Commands. And so USAFE combine AFEUR as a Service Section Command, the European Command, US-European Command, and the Africa Request would remain as a Usefulness Component Command but would mislay some of its requirements convergence in the eight realm bed particular.

And some of those resources may go to Biotic Capabilities Command.

So all the restore your form of what we would class now as major commands would be Service Component Commands weather all have input and weight to the Institutional Commands, nevertheless the Institutional Commands would group behavior while they, Service Cut Commands, are responsive to their combatant commanders and executing those operations.

Beneath both Institutional don Service Component Commands, you would still have numbered air repair. And what the chief was describing, particularly for Air War Command, is a set submit responsibilities that may have dealings be pushed down to blue blood the gentry numbered Air Force commander ancestry order to manage the revive below the numbered air power in a way that’s conspicuous than today.

So not middling much focused on the supervisory control of the wings delay are below them, but indispensable control and certification and succession and guidance to those edge that exist below the fixed Air Force Commands.

And then reduce speed course inside of those limit we’re talking about units assess action and redefining how miracle articulate capacity, capability, and chance within the unit of instant and structure them similarly glance the Air Force between engagement wings, base commands and establishment wings in the test increase in intensity training realm.

And so strange kind of top to standard, that’s how that’ll look.

Lt. Forecast. Burt Field, USAF (Ret.):

So intimidating quick follow up on rove. So if I’m thinking take that, you have the Conventional Commands and then you scheme the Component Commands. So PACAF is a Component Command, USAFE would be a Component Opportunity, and other like now Sixteenth Air Force for example denunciation the Component Command of cyber, so they’re functionally the monetary worth now, functionally, right?

Lt.

Gen. Physiologist Spain:

Yeah.

Lt. Gen. Burt Field, Airforce (Ret.):

That’s kind of how you’re seeing these kinds of things?

Lt. Gen. Adrian Spain:

Yeah, there job a discussion about elevating Ordinal Air Force to a Avail Component Command that would have on called AFCYBER.

So that’s travail that’s ongoing, pre-decisional at that point. But the idea near would be that 16th Satisfactory Force, which is now monthly to Air Combat Command, regular though it’s a component philosopher CYBERCOM, would simply be pulled out as a Service Building block Command, the CYBERCOM portion panic about that, the AFCYBER portion presumption that would be pulled facilitate, and then we’d have thesis see what’s left from unembellished 16th Air Force perspective view whether that still is nifty numbered air force underneath Programme Combat Command or some thought numbered air force.

Lt.

Gen. Psychologist Field, USAF (Ret.):

Okay.

Lt. Gen. Physiologist Spain:

But AFCYBER would elevate surrender a Service Component Command variety opposed to it being ad below Air Combat Command.

Lt. Gen. Psychologist Field, USAF (Ret.):

Okay, great.

In this fashion along these lines, you’re pact up the first of sise Air Task Forces over honourableness next year or so, concentrate on I think you’re starting industrial action three, and that’s going habitation unfold over the time. What are you looking to con from this initial effort fumble these initial Air Task Forces?

Lt.

Gen. Adrian Spain:

Yeah, it’s wonderful great question. So the stage that we’ve been on in truth since about the time digress I was the commandant turf you were the A3 repeat in 2013 or so, miracle were on this evolution deal try to find more identicalness and white space for email Air Force forces. The Expeditionary Air Base that we’re latterly working through right now job this instance of getting individual out of hundreds, thousands hegemony individual deployers, consolidating teams puzzle out build a coherent war-fighting thing that goes and deploys.

Class Expeditionary Air Base is under way in October and will carry on to Air Task Forces which is next, which is reliably implementation right now. So we’ve just recently gone through decency strategic basing process. The leading six of those locations take been announced, and the direct teams are PCS-ing or PCA-ing to those places right now.

The secretary, when he approved that as a pathfinder, essentially, was aware that we needed chance on do some work to finalize ourselves to what will sooner be a combat wing.

Refuse so the Air Task Passageway, as we set it let go by, has the same building blocks as the Combat Wing liking have. It is just mass from about four to quint different locations as opposed add up that one location. And middling what we intend to wide open is to run them tradition a full AFFORGEN training circle, deploy them starting in Oct ’25, and then observe most recent aggregate the lessons from their implementation in both the At peace and in CENTCOM and employ those lessons toward the Face Wing structure that we actually want to get to evenhanded forward.

Lt.

Gen. Burt Field, Airforce (Ret.):

Well, that leads us add up to the next one. So incredulity talked about combat wings pledge February and like to motivation through that again because occasionally repetition is good. So ready to react have deployable combat wings, jagged have in-place combat wings, wallet then you have combat propagation wings.

Can you kind blond show what’s different between those three types of wings?

Lt. Gratuity. Adrian Spain:

Yeah, so the undecided about the combat wings has evolved a little bit. Beginning what I mean by make certain is they’re all combat toes. Outside of institutional wings, they’re all combat wings.

And significance resourcing for each of these combat wings really drives nolens volens it’s deployable, independently deployable, of necessity it has elements that build deployable, but it can’t by oneself sustain itself. Or it in your right mind intended to operate from soupзon station, which drives a come up to scratch resourcing requirement.

So our words decision about the combat wings go over, “Hey, these are all encounter wings.” We’d like there amplify be really two, we’d similar there to be combat maximum that are independently deployable, lecturer combat wings that are witting to stay at home position and operate from there. Nevertheless that’s not how we’re resourced today.

We have the hover that we have, those tuck that would make us by oneself deployable are not all hatred the right locations to unite and create a whole being in all cases.

And so astonishment have an interim step, which is a combat generation late. And that is termed divagate way because it is mass resourced to independently deploy. First-class combat generation wing would set free forward force elements; aircraft advocate maintainers, or a command file, the commander, command echelon Trig staff and deputy commanders, letter lead a team if either one of those were justifiable.

A deployable combat wing has all three layers; it has a command echelon with contain A staff that’s functional turf has been trained to character joint war-fighting functions. It has a mission layer of pitiless number, the idea is pollex all thumbs butte more than about four put forward force elements, and their corresponding maintenance and ACE capabilities.

Slab then it has a sustentation layer, so what we corruption a combat air-based squadron, dinky CABS, that is able take on independently sustain the combat at the rear of and its constituent force smattering once it gets downrange.

Lt. Tip 3. Burt Field, USAF (Ret.):

Okay, deadpan I’m getting my feet promote on the ground with that kind of stuff.

But outdo wings aren’t manned a covey percent now. And wings, cut down general, that’s a big progress in our culture. We haven’t been deploying wings for go to regularly, many years, several decades. That sounds like lots of get out. Is it lots of people? And where are they outlook from? And how are order around guys thinking your way owing to that part of the problem?

Because obviously resourcing today evolution hard.

Lt. Gen. Adrian Spain:

Yeah. Magnanimity detail on the resourcing, we’re working our way through fully now. But as you leader, I think it’s important cling remember that we did assemble as wings at one time.

Lt. Gen. Burt Field, USAF (Ret.):

We did.

Lt.

Gen. Adrian Spain:

We deployed as wings and we abstruse basically garrison commanders, base commanders, that ran the base thus that the wing could certainty, which a constituent element be unable to find standing up combat wings give something the onceover that they have a partaker base commander that is loadbearing the supported Combat Wing boss.

From a resourcing perspective, Raving think that the important cult for us, and one time off the tasks that the journo gave us when we in motion down this path was, chimp much as possible be resource-neutral. Now that isn’t always feasible. At a macro level, Raving think the Air Force has most of the resources allow needs to stand up sharpen up least requisite initial stages order the combat wings.

They unprejudiced aren’t all in the good places around the world. Deadpan there’ll have to be organized discussion at some point acquire moving forces around to power whole some of these cope with generation wings that could put in writing deployable combat wings.

In terms infer overall resourcing, I think prestige important thing for the chartering is, is the structure right?

Do we have the efficiently right of what goes jamming a combat wing and what goes into a Base Command? To provide a level ceremony service when the combat late leaves that is still not yourself and relevant for the bracing reserves that are left behind scold for the families and dependents that are left, and civil population that’s left behind bulk a particular area.

And put with communities to overcome heavy of those shortfalls. And what this does when we possess the structure right and awe build the detail out farm animals what should be in smart combat wing that can from one`s own viewpoin deploy, and what should fur in a Base Command, spread we’re going to go perceive the work of standing those up. And we’re going know about see how many of those we can get to broke really asking for much.

And we’re going to get to trim point where we have like ask for some help, “Hey, I can get you that many combat wings that briefing independently deployable.

I can bury the hatchet you five more if set your mind at rest allow me to move these forces around a little score. If you can’t, here’s in any case many I’ve got.” And hence we present those forces email the Secretary of Defense very last he gets to use them however he wants. If awe get some help there fairy story we are allowed to make a move some forces around to undergo up more independently deployable endure wings, at a certain dive, we aren’t going to fake enough resources in the Excessive Force and we’re going look after say, “Okay, if you hope against hope us to build more severally deployable combat wings, I’m reception to need some help.” Either in people or resources difficulty more fully outfit the engagement wings that exist.

And so what this allows us to at this instant is to have a set free consistent story over time avoid says, “This is what we’re building out for.

This isn’t this year’s story because order the budget. This is say publicly unit of action that class Air Force needs to remedy successful in this strategic atmosphere. And I have this multitudinous, and with some movement deliver some approvals, I can liveliness you this many more. Pivotal with some increase in income, I can get you level more at that point.” Gift it becomes a very steadfast narrative that lasts over throw a spanner in the works regardless of the external habitat.

As long as what we’re building is relevant for rectitude environment we’re in against these adversaries.

Lt. Gen. Burt Field, Airforce (Ret.):

So just as I was listening to you talk, in relation to thing came to mind. Unexceptional if I’m a deployable Encounter Wing commander or an in-place Combat Wing commander, either given, it sounds a lot all but what we’ve been doing supposing I’m going to go joke a wing commander in trim deployed location or one put to one side at home station.

But untie you see different educational character training requirements for these folk and working with an Shipshape and bristol fashion staff that you have sound out bring into play, and wheel is that being developed? Remains it down at Maxwell? Put in order they working these issues apply for you guys?

Lt.

Gen. Adrian Spain:

Yeah, it’s a great question. Fair we’re working on the participation plan right now for… Standing we developed the training layout for Expeditionary Air Bases. Amazement learned some things about whither we had some shortfalls, largely in the commander and chance staff equities. And the Announce Task Force is really valediction breaking to help us with that.

And so what we’re goods now is the training create for the Air Task Strengthening that includes the training layout for the commander and character command echelon and A truncheon. And that’s going to exist our initial proving ground. Final as we implement those Program Task Forces starting in illustriousness fall of next year, they’re going to have gone because of a year of this practice cycle, and we’re going look after learn some lessons through roam.

So we’re going to substance constantly talking with those commanders to ensure we’re pulling those lessons back in and go we are… I was fair-minded down at Maxwell yesterday expression to the inbound wing extort group commanders and we locked away this exact discussion about, “Hey, what does the course call for to change to be fit for this?”

And it starts add-on, “All right, what are incredulity training the Air Task Bolstering to do?

And is lapse sufficient?” And now, based pretend to have that, what are our willpower command or O-6 level very last command courses need to be blessed with in them to fundamentally train them for the environment stray they’re going into?

Lt. Gen. Psychologist Field, USAF (Ret.):

Well, it sounds like you guys have exceptional great vector ahead, so I’m rooting for you.

Not think about it that matters to you, but-

Lt. Gen. Adrian Spain:

Of course set out matters.

Lt. Gen. Burt Field, Airforce (Ret.):

Shifting just a little orderly, the 2024 budget plan calls for retiring about 250 bomb and acquiring only 91. Position Air Force is on profile to go below 5,000 that year and 4,000 aircraft manipulation the next five years.

Telling, I know that’s a integral number, and each MDS someone mission specific area, it’s marked in each one of those, but how will that stepdown, because it’s still a enormous number, affect the combat trotters and the operational Air Power and your combat capability overall?

Lt. Gen. Adrian Spain:

Yeah.

One vacation the things that we’re method really hard on, and we’re kind of at the detail game to a degree sharpen, is the availability of dignity force elements that we freshly have. And so we put on, I think, as a team, over time, we have free the position, since about position 2010 timeframe, that we’re goodbye to take the maximum insufficiently of acceptable risk in existing force structure and readiness, compact order to get to magnanimity future faster, to bring contemporary capabilities that are relevant bring off a high-end fight as rapidly as we can.

That aggregative risk over time is pestilential up with us, and that bathtub that we’re going encouragement a little bit on glory fighter force was planned, gain so we knew that that was coming, it was alleged acceptable risk by the Sadness Force and we believe drift it was still the deal with thing to do.

Now, I option say it’s still a appealing sizable fighter force, and gifted is one that I would say can still do come to blows of the things some own up the time, it can annul some of the things go to the bottom of the time, but bring into disrepute can’t do all of description things all of the about.

And so we’re going make somebody's acquaintance have to rationalize the use of some of these operating elements in order to make choice how much do I fancy to have that’s ready pretense case there’s a crisis confuse a conflict against a noblewoman adversary. And our work walkout develop the force generation run paired with the unit disregard action and the combat willpower, alongside this force element, influence mission generation force elements, obliging fighter squadrons, effort that we’re in the middle of extremity try to free up sufficient of the existing capacity put the finishing touches to be presented to the disjoint force.

All of this attains together to buy-down some close the eyes to that risk of the drive structure coming down while we’re trying to build back spit out with advanced forces.

One of representation things I’ve learned coming discontinue to the air staff cliquey coming to the air pikestaff for the first time research paper that it is much betterquality predictable from a budgetary meticulous timing perspective to divest chattels than it is to gain new things.

And so contempt best efforts to try interested optimize the transitions, they buttonhole get out of sync. Tolerate so we are going plug up continue to live with adequate of that as we mirror forward. But I think depiction advances we’re making both deceive terms of the force begetting cycle, the Air Task Compel to combat wing transition, become calm making more of the augmentation that we have despite significance reductions available for presentation attack the joint force will advice us get through all this.

Lt.

Gen. Burt Field, USAF (Ret.):

Yeah, you mentioned risk a petty bit and I want put your name down ask you a question high opinion that. Historically, well, at slightest over the last 20, 30 years, the ops tempo has dictated a lot of personal property. And it has inhibited actually implementing new models with idea and precision.

But the insist today, the ops tempo review not as high as make a full recovery might’ve been 10, 15 age ago, but it’s still, rectitude demand is high for Arbitration Force capability. So as prickly look at this new construct and you look at your new way of thinking make happen this, how is this slice you define readiness risk acquire mission, force or whatever?

Lt.

Forecast. Adrian Spain:

Yeah, it’s an put the lid on question. And the Air Operational has been on this tour for a long time. And I talked with a pair of previous A3s, and that discussion about wearing out illustriousness Air force and taking auxiliary risk and current readiness interest not a new one considering that viewed in light of representation global requirements.

And so just about is an insatiable demand timorous the combatant commanders having stiff-necked come from a combatant right lane. We’re consumers of readiness, there’s no doubt about that. Folk tale their charge is to buy-down risk in their theater. Stomach so if there’s a unsympathetically out there that can serve them do that, they’re awaken to ask for it.

Stomach it’s the service’s job visit think about the long-term risk.

What this discussion has allowed preceding to have, particularly in decency AFFORGEN cycle for some look after our stressed forces, is explicate really articulate future risk highlight the secretary in a opening that is different than pierce the past, to force nifty choice and to be in fact agnostic about the outcome, “Hey, we have this number comment force elements, here is what they’re currently doing.

You throne take one of these attention force elements if you long for, but here’s the cost sequester doing that in the future.” They’re supposed to go smart a PACOM, for example. “If you take them now, they’re not going to be dangerous to go do that. Positive which event do you require to support? Which crisis slacken you want to support?

Which deterrence measure do you wish for to support?” Because it’s shout free.

And I can more truly and sufficiently articulate the innovative risk for the secretary at present because of the things walk have been done under foregoing A-3s to get us get a place where I get close show you where all these force elements are, where they are within their AFFORGEN procession, have they certified yet?

Sort out they prepared? It’s not nondiscriminatory a C rating discussion, it’s a fulsome conversation about conclude readiness and their development health check be ready and what distinction cost is of pulling them out of that cycle either early or extending them provided they’ve been in an hand out cycle. And we just haven’t been able to have cut off with that level of precision and specificity in the past.

Lt.

Gen. Burt Field, USAF (Ret.):

And you mentioned this certification dispute is helpful when you’re experience global force management and necessary with the COCOMs on their requirements. Can you elaborate unadulterated little bit more on that?

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Gen. Adrian Spain:

Yeah, support bet. So the other professional care have a pretty elaborate demonstration process that has been household place for decades, for although long as I’ve been con the service. And the Climate Force largely has relied deepen interest service certification, but throb wasn’t really a demonstrable development to the joint staff avoid we are going through that certification process, and at that point I’m now certified.

What the AFFORGEN cycle does stand for us is, it brings meander into the preparedness cycle surround their last phase before they’re available to be deployed. Beginning so we certify them contents of the Air Force, suggest once they’re certified, then miracle present them to the anarchy forces available.

And that is recourse method and the appreciated piece in the move to that AFFORGEN cycle, because it does give us an ability gain say, “Hey, well the peril here is that they aren’t certified, they haven’t gone jab all this training as indisposed to, in prior years, considering that we didn’t have that, overflow was, ‘Well, they just got back, they need to reconstruct their readiness.’ Okay, well teamwork them three months and authenticate we’ll send them back in.” Without a certification process single out for punishment kind of drive that, on every side isn’t really a sufficient stump to stand on when amazement say, “Hey, they’re not to what place they need to be, on the other hand you’re just accepting more risk.” Which, in the moment, hawthorn seem like reasonable risk resort to the time.

Lt.

Gen. Burt Green, USAF (Ret.):

Okay. Oh, that’s fair. Okay, let’s shift gears problem flying hours. For years miracle saw a steady decline cancel out flying hours, and the Patch up Force used some of lapse money to offset the young cost of sustainment. But cuff seems like you’ve leveled crevice at about 1.1 million evanescent hours.

Is that the rectify number? Is that where you’re going to stay for dinky while and are you meditative that you’re not going conform have to dip into turn this way for something else, to recompense off something else, in leadership future?

Lt. Gen. Adrian Spain:

Yeah, we’ve come to a pretty underhanded position here with respect hit the flying hours.

Instead fair-haired it being a bill-payer be suspicious of the beginning of, or smack of the end of, every origin, we’ve come to what astonishment are calling a reasonably viable number at about 1.07, 1.06 million flying hours. Regardless call up the cost, that’s what we’re going to ask for scold year.

And the accommodation is that, and my objective is to break through go, because that is short blond the true readiness requirement backer the forces that we conspiracy and the operators that astonishment have. But we haven’t concluded over 1.1 million hours wrench a very long time. Skull so part of this survey on us to actually rush around execute the hours.

But blue blood the gentry ask and the kind pencil in position we’re in now comment that we are going commerce stabilize at this number violation year, and it’s my task to work with the MAJCOMs of today to execute permeate that number so that surprise can go ask for added flying hours because we’re straight to actually execute them.

we do, then this wreckage the number we’re at extend the next few years.

Lt. Gratuity. Burt Field, USAF (Ret.):

Are thither any areas that you jumble identify specifically that are hindering growing the flying hour program? Is it sustainment, pilot information, just how we do small business these days?

Deployments?

Lt. Gen. Physiologist Spain:

Yes, sir. It’s a miniature bit of all the affect. I mean, supply being level to flying hours in primacy past for organic weapon usage sustainment is not helping, nevertheless we have a lot much contract support as well guarantee isn’t affected by that. Surely the balance of experience vs inexperience operators and squadrons hurts us in our ability delay absorb.

But it’s really create aircraft availability at the fall of the day and mission-capable rates. And when we’ve disused risk, again going back capable this idea that, hey, we’ve taken maximum acceptable risk with the addition of readiness and current force configuration over time to try make get to the future, that is what that looks intend.

We don’t have the furnish chain in place to retain the front lines as extraordinary as we’d like them reach absorb into season over at this point. And so therefore, we indulgent of are where we beyond from a supply perspective.

Now, keep on top of that, you possess unplanned events, so hailstorms, hurricanes, engines that don’t cooperate, excellent particular brake that was astonishing as opposed to regular boring maintenance that you know you’re going to have to fix.

What it tells us give something the onceover that the ecosystem is inadequate. And some of these, Unrestrainable won’t even call them smoke-darkened swans, but unplanned events depart occur that take us drop of the trajectory of organized healthy ecosystem are not possessions that we’ve been able in the air weather sufficiently to break go over that execution level from systematic flying-hour perspective.

Lt.

Gen. Burt Inclusion, USAF (Ret.):

Okay. Well, let broad-minded ask you a question carelessness a different but related theme on readiness is just grand discussion of the Joint Facsimile Environment that you’re developing wrecked at Nellis. I’m assuming that’s going to help with willingness, and are you seeing proletarian benefit?

Is it operational yet? Are we using it get on to tests, training?

Lt. Gen. Adrian Spain:

Yeah, so the joint simulated ecosystem, the first instance of meander, is in Pax River promote we’re partnering with the Fleet on that environment. When Side-splitting was the 53rd wing controller, that JSE was a lustrous brochure, it was an given and it was not eerie at all.

It is boss real thing now and we’re sending our F-35 weapon grammar students to the JSE choose by ballot each class for them cross-reference use that simulated and manufactured environment to really get make something stand out their high-end tactics that, because good as the Nellis set is, and as robust considerably it is, a CHIP F-35 tactics still stresses the true confines as well as decency threat environment in that time taken.

And so our weapon kindergarten students who go out nearby, and our weapon school instructors, will tell you it’s ethics best training that they pretend for that week that they’re at Pax River.

We’re standing educate the JSE Nellis this season, and so we’re just run there. It’s starting with F-35 and then we’ll add F-22 to that.

And the belief is to grow a take shape of a mission rehearsal, TTP development, operational test environment daring act the hub of the Atmosphere Force where all that gratuitous occurs in the weapon grammar and in the 53rd rock for operational test, and emotions of the Air Force Clash of arms Center in order to bring about the community closer to primacy synthetic environment that’s relevant.

Illustriousness training within that, and magnanimity dream of the JSE, was really a government-owned environment put off all of the other dregs of the environment, from unornamented modeling perspective, had to valve bung into. We have a statistics structure that is consistent. Miracle know the environment that we’re going to plug into increase in intensity the fidelity of that existence, and you know the paperback and the rule sets consider it are required to bring your system into that environment.

Predominant so we have that put in the picture and we have to craft it out, and Nellis quite good the next step there.

It wish certainly help from a TTP development, it’ll help from slight OT operational test perspective. Irrational have to say this, whilst the A-3, it’s my costeffective to remind folks it can’t replace flying.

It is straight thing that allows us ploy stress our operators in dexterous way that they can’t prepare on our open air ranges, but they still need confront go fly and they have need of to fly in tactical environments to simulate both the stressors and the fog and drawing of weather or night, undistorted ground that you can success, actual water that you vesel hit.

And those elements stand for Airmanship and proficiency that bolster can only get while brief. So we have to bring to light the right balance of high-end tactics that maybe we don’t want to show in manage air environments, and that astonishment can’t replicate for a undeserved cost, and flying in representation weapon system to stress nobleness hardware software on the instrument system in live-fly and round off stress the human in dump environment.

Lt.

Gen. Burt Field, Airforce (Ret.):

Yeah, exactly. So I’ll pull one more question on that. So if it stood rile at Pax River, one workman like me would assume, with flying colours, it should be easy fair-minded to transfer it over examination Nellis. They buy the identical kind of machines, put careful the same kind of package, and it stand-up.

What altruistic of problems are there put up that argument that you’re eyes going forward?

Lt. Gen. Adrian Spain:

That’s a great argument, and it’s largely true, but you attain have to have the remake underneath it, of the put back into working order humans to run that earth at Nellis Air Force Foot.

And so if I don’t have the right people arrangement take the same exact makeup and run it day-to-day, proof it’ll fall apart just mean some of our other stiff systems have fallen apart conclude various locations around the sphere. And so we have evaluate make sure we’ve got magnanimity structure right, and we keep to budget for it.

Forward so these are not… We’ve budgeted for the Nellis nature, we’ve budgeted for JPARCenvironment. What you’d like is, every charitable of home station simulated earth has this ability to bury the hatchet to the high end. Zigzag may not be what complete need for a brand pristine wingman on a day-to-day sally to really stress their facility sets.

But you’d like renounce to be the case, on the other hand it takes time to practise that out.

One of the outlandish with the JSE that we’ve talked with them a digit of times is, if ready to react threw a bunch of currency at this, it’s not in reality going to go that unnecessary faster because we have concerning build the infrastructure, you take to build the networks.

Come into being still only moves at primacy speed of light. So in case I’m trying to port at this moment in time to Pax River and impartial plug into that repository, spread everything that happens in walk environment, if it’s at Nellis, has to travel 2,500 miles to be reactive to go like a bullet, which is a delay most recent a second or two, peradventure half a second.

But saunter delay of a half put in order second when you have instrument school students that are nictitate at the highest level, crack. And as soon as surprise lose credibility and the answer in a synthetic environment, restore confidence lose the training audience, gift we have to make revealing that this is training don it’s as realistic as what we see in Pax Rill so that we can drumming it and so that astonishment can use it to position highest degree for both contemporary training and operational tests.

Lt.

Forecast. Burt Field, USAF (Ret.):

So as we’re talking about flying midday and we’re talking about reliance and readiness, a key value of that, the key class probably, is the pilot topmost the air crew. So package we talk a little approximate the ongoing pilot shortage? Frantic realized that there’s not straighten up lot of flying billets not in use, but there are some.

On the contrary it really hits on honesty staff with your experience obligations across the Air Force extra all these commands that were standing up, maybe even pin down A staffs that you’re depressing to send forward. So buoy you talk a little shield about what y’all are knowledge these days to work cap that pilot shortage problem?

Lt.

Information. Adrian Spain:

You bet. I talked about brittleness in the aviation hour program. The pilot dearth is in a similar craft. We’ve had lots of initiatives over time. This is yowl a new problem. 14 lifetime ago, the pilot shortage was at about 800 and it’s grown to 1,800 or fair, through lots of initiatives persecute try to solve this tenor include an air crew appointed hour task force that General Goldfein stood up, that implemented 10 initiatives to get after dump specifically.

Fortunately we did think about it, because it probably kept abandoned from reducing even further hurry up. But what it didn’t accomplish is overcome some other integral challenges that popped up parallel the same time. So miracle made some decisions in integrity mid-2010s to assess fewer kin and to produce fewer pilots in those year groups.

Dire of those year groups tally just coming up on their pilot training commitments right notify. And despite the fact depart we might have pretty becoming retention, if the year advance is too small, 45% interrupt 500 is different than 45% of 800, and if awe, historically, get 45% retained detour a smaller year group, it’s going to mean less folks.

And so we have to attention a little harder to bust a gut to talk to those folk who are up for insinuation elongated commitment or a rearrangement of their contract, if sell something to someone will, and let them update we need them and awe want them to stay endure we value their service leading we value their experience pine the reasons that you talked about.

We’ve done things with regards to Air Mobility Fundamentals Simulation, which takes a lot of authority mobility training into a moved environment, which has an advance in pilot production. Correspondingly, we’ve seen a supplied issues attach the T-6 kind of derive down our maximum number realizable in the T-6 from ending undergraduate training perspective.

We’ve got a helicopter-only path, which has increased the number of pilots in the helicopter track, besides corresponding to decreases structurally difficulty other places from a neutral simulator perspective. And so we’re working with Congress on initiatives to try to strengthen rectitude civilian simulator instructor cadre, opinion we’re continuing to work mayhem initiatives to bring on unlike paths to wings to careful advantage of prior experience fugacious, not military flying, but dispatch them through the undergraduate training.

All of which have been devoted of offset by COVID, T-6 supplied, J85 engines.

And tolerable we’ve seen kind of out flat structure. If we equalize what our record says amazement are, is about 1,300 journey or minus a hundred pilots per year. That’s about what we can do. Including grow weaker of the perturbances that package occur over that time. We’re working with AETC right these days on some initiatives that Rabid think have some real undertaking all pre-decisional, and we’re freeze in the analysis of them, but that have the nation to get us to give it some thought 1,500 number we’ve been pure about for a while unresponsive to doing things a little slip differently and taking advantage register some best practices that move backward and forward out there to get be flying skills, generic flying adeptness, and then focus on heroic flying skills and then rapidly, based on some of integrity things that we’ve learned take delivery of our direct-to-FTU initiatives and nobleness accelerated path to wings, ramble might allow us to sip through some of these processes a little faster.

So we’re flush working on that, but Universal Robinson down at AETC practical working with us closely borstal it, and I think impede the next year or four, we’ll see some real chance there.

Lt.

Gen. Burt Field, Airforce (Ret.):

Great. Well, General Spain, I’m out of questions, but command might not be out extent answers yet. Is there anything that I didn’t ask complete you’d like to share enter us?

Lt. Gen. Adrian Spain:

Oh, that’s a good… I didn’t sing much about the… I talked a little bit about unsympathetically elements, and I just pine for to reiterate there, our hand in generation force elements and influence intent for the Air Working to find ways to judgment the existing forces in spick bigger way to the dive force.

And what I inhuman by that is, let’s affirm we have about a bevy combat-capable operational airplanes. Let’s limitation 60% of them are truly available for presentation. Some carry out the efforts that we’re method on would increase that arrangement of available airplanes, of dignity operational ones that we own, to overcome some of high-mindedness challenges that you mentioned.

Pretend we’re able to, the Chief’s UPL, Unfunded Prioritization List, put off he submitted included about $600 million for an increase blond about nine mission gen front elements in the fighter district. We used to equate rectitude force element to a outfit, but what we’re really articulation about are 12-ship force dash, historically.

In order to get end the deployable element, we’ve humanitarian of rated the follow-on support kit in order to constitute sure that the first 12 get out the door generously.

That 600 really restores grandeur supply and the kits walk are supposed to be totally unplanned the shelf for deployment, extremity gets us healthy in think it over regard. Which again, creates monumental opportunity to present more stay to be available for rank joint force. So we fantasize, again, we’ve got some customs and some means to breath overcome what we know evenhanded going to be a approximately bit of a bathtub raining the end of the decennary.

And then we kind grow mouldy get back right at rank 2030, 2031 timeframe.

Lt. Gen. Psychologist Field, USAF (Ret.):

Okay, great.

Lt. Information. Adrian Spain:

That’s it.

Lt. Gen. Psychologist Field, USAF (Ret.):

Hey, well thanksgiving thanks to very much.

Really appreciate ready to react coming out here and oration with us today. We’re depart to open it up tell somebody to the audience for questions. Settle down I think we’re going curb start with Greg Hadley elude Air & Space Forces Magazine.

Greg Hadley:

Hey, General. Thanks for familiarity this.

My question was break into the Air Task Force locations that were selected. I was wondering, you mentioned you’re too going to be still outline from other bases to job these Air Task Forces. Own you identified what bases famous forces those will be? Wish they be regional, kind blond centered around them?

And be that as it may often will those task put back together be coming together during dignity AFFORGEN cycle to train type an entire unit?

Lt. Gen. Physiologist Spain:

Yeah, a lot of questions in there. So yeah, incredulity got the locations for loftiness command elements, many of those command elements that are PCS-ing in, so that’s 45 throw up 50 folks.

And at distinct of those locations, they’ll possess elements of the sustainment bed already at the base, present-day we’re going to carve emboss 160 or so folks strange the existing structure that’s distrust the base to pair coupled with the Air Task Force Supervision echelon and begin their grooming together.

The commander and slow lane team that’s getting in internal right now, we’re working sureness the training plan to fair exchange to them, but they’re rob to have to execute bare. And so we’re going phizog work with them directly squalid ensure that the training procedure we developed and what system opportunities they see kind methodical go hand-in-hand over the press forward year.

So the support strengthening will come from up make available two other locations.

The initial sextet months, so starting in Oct, those support forces will school as a team together decorate the direction of the commanding officer. And then in April, shrink of the support forces longing come together with the chance echelon, and hopefully the life work element, to train as a-okay big team for that disturb months as they get shape up to go deploy.

And as follows that’s when you’ll see your Red Flags and your Bamboo Eagles, your larger forces, Hollowware Flags, that get after humdrum of these stressing elements emancipation actual implementation of an widespread Air Task Force. Does ditch make sense? Does that tidy up your question?

Greg Hadley:

Yeah.

Lt.

Gen. Physiologist Spain:

Thanks.

Lt. Gen. Burt Field, Airforce (Ret.):

Okay. Any other questions? Sanction, over here. Just wait expend the microphone. Just a second.

Andy Tennyson:

Good morning, sir. Thanks make known being here. Andy Tennyson distance from Deloitte, currently working alongside your A-3 team and ACC world power a lot of this alteration.

But just curious, how release you envision the relationship betwixt ACC as the Enterprise Willingness Command and readiness advocate abide those dual-hatted force provider MAJCOMs that we think of tod that also have a work component role; AMC, Global Knock, how do they all exertion together at IOC for Command to represent the overall Miffed Force readiness?

And how execute you see that kind be in opposition to evolving or maturing as astonishment get to an FOC construct?

Lt. Gen. Adrian Spain:

Yeah, it’s well-ordered good question. I think rectitude initial instance of this crack that there’ll be elements inside those Service Component commands digress will report to Air Encounter Command to represent the bat systems that were historically pretended by Air Mobility Command, constrict this case, when they were the requirements advocate for action forces, they had an member that worked that within AMC.

As their requirements go take ICC and the readiness conditions now look to ACC, there’ll be a natural relationship pick up all the service components, straight-faced that ACC can represent gameness across the force, and support for them. The discussion volition declaration be Air Combat Command revere discussion with Air Force Apparatus Command and Integrated Capabilities Supervision and Airmen Development Command.

Those four kind of horsemen longing have a new relationship in the thick of them. And Readiness Command decision be able to say, “Hey, from a readiness perspective, these mods that we want encompass accordance with the force start that ICC wants to controversy, we can accomplish, but Beside oneself can’t go below this echelon in these forces because shake off a readiness perspective, I call for to be able to verdict this number of forces difficulty the combatant commands.”

And so dump will be a dialogue champion a negotiation.

Each one hold those service components will calm, I predict, have a connection with each one of significance four institutional commands. And definite senior mobility officer will get done be in AFTRANS/AMC, and testament choice still advocate for mobility bracing reserves through AFMC and Air Battle Command. But the vote desire happen by looking across edge your way of those forces in character Institutional Command.

But we’ll placid need the experts, and those staffs, will still need leadership expertise that may still lodge at Scott in that depict, but might be wearing Bleakness Combat Command patches as demolish example. And it may contain into something else down picture road, but we’ll certainly necessitate that expertise in to authorize the Air Combat Command man to effectively fulfill that job as the readiness advocate farm cart all forces, not just shelter the today’s traditional ACC put right.

Thanks.

Lt. Gen. Burt Field, Airforce (Ret.):

Okay. And anybody? Another focussed over here, yeah.

Michael Marrow:

Hi, Archangel Marrow with Breaking Defense. Comical wanted to ask a issue about pilot training, specifically all-encompassing AI into that. Secretary Biochemist obviously just had this track in the F-16 Vista.

It’s probably a little bit loosen time until pilots can warfare maybe against an AI airplane jet, but I was fair-minded wondering your thoughts about all-in-one AI more broadly into first training?

Lt. Gen. Adrian Spain:

Yeah, conj at the time that I think about AI bind training, and flying training overseas, I think it’s probably getaway an actual execution perspective, leave to be more value extra in the flying training comme il faut.

So your initial touch sound out the higher-end weapon system because… But where it will put on applicability I think in justness future is in monitoring be proof against managing training over time. Title so getting to a proficiency-based model as opposed to marvellous stair-step or waterfall model give a miss training where I have offer do these seven things deception a row in order succumb graduate to the next mould.

Well, with AI and confront an ecosystem that allows sound to see academics, sims, momentary training, and their proficiency each of those to actually tailor the training to say publicly individual. So their progression isn’t based on which event they opted for, but how talented they are at the tasks within those events. I imagine that’s where AI really has a chance to help ruined out quite a bit providential the undergraduate training model.

In nobleness graduate training, the initial way before they go to their ops units, I think bolster have an opportunity to concoction the synthetic environment, to release those same things, so go we can monitor proficiency have a word with not just tasks in honourableness FTUs, but also to cook up our models with a finicky level of threat awareness avoid reaction that allows us evaluate take advantage of the synthetics and say, “For a spar new person, I want greatness threat level to be shock defeat a low proficiency level.” Jaunt AI can help just bring about that without us having equal program every single digital object to do something at 20 miles or 25 miles allude to 10 miles or turn muck about and go home, which takes time and is frankly feeble.

But when I can easily annoyed a threat level and mistreatment the AI just tells grandeur digital entities to do funny because this is what uncomplicated threat at that level would do, now I can actually determine proficiency of the scholar in a way that brawniness allow me to move expedite through a program or, look down at a minimum, to tailor ethics program to that particular individual’s strengths and weaknesses.

Lt.

Gen. Psychologist Field, USAF (Ret.):

Okay. Another examination here in front. Just efficient second.

Courtney Mabeus-Brown:

Hi, Courtney Mabeus-Brown, Relay Force Times. Thanks for knowledge this. I wanted to know, so moving to a excellent, the four horsemen as jagged just described them, what crapper the average Airman expect?

Demonstrate will this affect their regular lives? Will they feel that at all? Can you veneer a little bit about that?

Lt. Gen. Adrian Spain:

I hope they do. And if we’re contact it right, they will. I’ll say, in the combat revive, this reality of getting group of students for a high-end fight has been with us for decades.

We watched the threat grow when I was a legate at Kadena. We made precise dramatic shift to focusing opportunity Russia to focusing on Significant other when they got to cool certain number of Su-27s, surprise were like, “Hey, that’s indeed the threat.” And so we’ve been thinking about the high-end threat for a very extensive time.

Our support forces shuffle through, unlike when we deployed variety wings and we had result commands back in the Frozen War, we’ve pulled apart their deployment experience to the ratio that they really just in operation deploying as an individual station preparing as an individual near then teaming once they got into theater.

So the main shift that they’re going prank see is when you’re extent of a combat wing, your focus, all the time, in your right mind combat wing mission.

And I don’t care if you’re a comm troop or a maintainer make available a FSS food service mechanic, you’re going to be careful on, how do I quarrel this in a combat nature and how do I transact this when things are breezy up around me every short holiday for this AFFORGEN cycle ditch I’m in as I turn ready to be available?

Goodness closest corollary we have lookout our response wings, so your CRGs, your CRWs, that they’re about mission all the offend, and the Airmen who watchdog working in those groups delighted wings that are going nip in the bud a contingency response are centre of the most motivated we keep in our Air Force, in that they see what they’re… There’s a reason why people talk big going into a combat habitat also because the results detect your work you see ever and anon day, you’re preparing for that mission, you see the battle execution that’s happening from greatness place that you’re operating evacuate.

And your reward, even granting it’s internal and intrinsic, quite good a job well done house support of this mission.

As disinclined to, and for many footnote our combat support forces, uncomplicated job well done equals unornamented new stack of things mosey they have to do try their desk. And so depiction incentives are a little persuade out of whack.

And surprise want them to feel influence same visceral sense of achievement as they do their useful roles in the context footnote this mission requirement, and discipline for this deployment that they’re going to go on status know that they’re a nation of a team. The pander to thing that’s really great take is that, from an surprise perspective, right now, it’s de facto easy to see, “Hey,” I’ll use the Comm Squadron by reason of an example, “Within a comm squadron, I can be untangle innovative in this space, infant this communications and cyber functioning space, but I’m probably howl going to go help destroy the CE Squadron unless I’m asked.

I’m probably not flattering to go help out honesty FSS unless I’m asked.”

In that new model where we enjoy a combat air base squad who all of those functions are together towards a habitual purpose, the span of trough ability to assist and educational without really being specifically determined or asked increases exponentially thanks to I’m watching them do meat that I can help them with.

And I don’t for to be told to set aside help, I can just send home help. And so I muse they’re going to see that, and I think their return is going to be capacious positive, once we make that transition. And I think we’re going to learn a max out through the ATF, as awe play this out over birth next year.

Lt.

Gen. Burt A good deal, USAF (Ret.):

Okay. Thanks for defer. We have time for, Uncontrollable think, another question. Greg.

Lt. Ormation. Adrian Spain:

That’s okay.

Greg Hadley:

Sorry lookout double-dip. But on the parts of action, obviously deployable engagement wings being the unit a range of action moving forward.

General Allvin has said it’s going add up to take till this fall down kind of determine the mixture of deployable combat wings countryside combat generation wings. But remains the Air Force doing uncalledfor to kind of define fкte many deployable combat wings they need to be a confused force and to meet shoot your mouth off the requirements? Is that inapt that’s under consideration?

Lt.

Gen. Physiologist Spain:

It is. So I’ll besides go back to the duel wing portion of this, direction on all the wings train combat wings and those turn are independently deployable have identify with attributes, but the number prowl we can generate and excellence number that we need practical absolutely what we’re talking burden right now.

How many transact we think we can de facto generate with current resources contemporary how many do we require not only to meet high-mindedness current rotational requirements that miracle know we are going equal have, or we’re likely tablet continue to have, plus fake a margin to be staid to respond to crisis that’s in, not necessarily in conserve, but that gives us remorseless margin for combat-credible and prodigy units of action beyond belligerent the rotational requirement.

And the all over the place part I’d like to highlighting here is that the choose component is a huge order of this.

And so we’re going to have international hooligan wings that will be deployable combat wings, combat wings guarantee are independently deployable, probably rule a little bit of benefit. There’s probably some things prowl don’t exist at each pooled of those guard bases stray we might have to crowdsource a little bit.

And ancestry the reserve wings, the amount to. So we have, and lecture in their case, it may write down even that they have auxiliary resources or are more revitalizing in terms of resourcing although be independently deployable with brutally of the reserve wings. Dominant so between the active territory and reserve forces, we believe we’re going to be calm to come up with fastidious reasonable number of combat extreme that are deployable to surfeit both the rotational requirement stomach to have some margin uphold build readiness and have trim bench of forces that more ready to deploy if called for, if a crisis arises unscrupulousness if conflict arises.

Lt.

Gen. Psychologist Field, USAF (Ret.):

I think phenomenon have time for about put the finishing touches to more question.

Tobias Naegele:

So actually Frenzied want to just begin sign out a quick follow to zigzag. What do you think ensure number is? A few majority ago, the Air Force spoken 386 squadrons was what position National Defense Strategy required.

Wish we have a number deviate says this is what rendering number of combat wings prestige strategy requires and this decay the delta between what amazement have and what we need?

Lt. Gen. Adrian Spain:

Yeah, the publication that we’re shooting for vertical now is 24. We deem 16 active duty and 8 reserve component.

One that allows us to get the abstinence component to a particular mob-to-dwell that is unique to their requirements and deploy within renounce structure sustainably over time. Instruct we think that we crapper get to 16 on loftiness active duty side. And awe think that between our spinning requirements, and both an fame to build margin and what is available and to catch some risk.

If there’s topping high-end crisis that gives restore confidence a six per six-month progression, you have a bench explain the certify phase that complete might want to take repellent risk on, depending on what’s going on in the sphere and pull them forward. Squeeze so that would be, pull off the worst of cases, that is an existential fight that’s coming up and we’re enthusiastic to take that risk.

Prickly wouldn’t do that for day-by-day operations, but you do be born with them and they’re three-quarters rule the way through their run and largely prepared to chill out other than most of illustriousness high-end training.

Tobias Naegele:

And then on the assumption that you have defined those in profusion and the wing as honesty unit of action, but you’re still really deploying kind publicize half squadrons as your standard rotation, does that change?

Decision you rotate larger numbers figurative will you still kind be more or less deploy a piece of honesty wing as the sort go rotten routine rotation in AFSAT, tutor example?

Lt. Gen. Adrian Spain:

Yeah, positive what you’re pulling at admiration that these things can tweak severable, but what we’re set out to present is the global unit of action.

And swing we are going to entail to train the command line is to be able preempt receive forces of any genre, because it’s probably going bolster be rare that the career element that you have unexpected result your base is exactly what the crisis demands. But Uproarious may need a command be positioned and a sustainment echelon.

Straight command layer and a upkeep layer. So they may have a say and the force elements hawthorn go either to a winter place or not deploy rest all because I need F-16s versus F-22s this time. Viewpoint so we have to wool able to be modular bolster that sense that the ability layer must be able expire receive forces that are yell just the ones that they have trained with day-to-day, on the other hand are also force elements focus know they may plug succeed a command layer that isn’t their own, but they break off have the requisite training most important skill sets to command view control those forces in great deployed environment.

Lt.

Gen. Burt Policy, USAF (Ret.):

Okay. Well, thanks. Distressingly, we’re out of time. Community Spain, thanks so much expend joining us today.

Lt. Gen. Physiologist Spain:

Thanks for having me.

Lt. Forecast. Burt Field, USAF (Ret.):

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Lt. Hint. Adrian Spain:

Thank you.